The West Must Take a Harder Line on Iran

0:00 Speaker 1 Calling in right now, Tal Heinrich. And she is the former spokeswoman of the Prime Minister of Israel, mister Nettnyaku. And she’s also worked for a Israeli journalist. And she’s also worked for Channel fourteen Trinity Broadcasting Network and also Channel ten in Israel for the Business channel. Well, Tal, you’ve been with us before. Give us, I mean, where

0:31 are we? I mean, the United States has bombed i Ran thirteen days in a row, maybe fourteen tonight. Israel has been keeping their eyes open on what’s going on with Lebanon. You give us the update.

0:48 Speaker 2 John. It’s a pleasure to join you here. You see, it’s been as you said, almost two weeks now of renewed US strikes in Iran after the talks reached some kind of a stalemates or in other words, the Trump administration seems to have discovered the extent to which the Iranians are not serious at all about stopping their pursuit

1:07 of nukes. They don’t wish to start acting like a normal nation. So it seems we knew that when by we, I mean Israelis knew that all they want to do they want to keep blackmailing the West. Their control of the Strait. But you see, there are all indications right now that President Trump has likely decided that this extortion

1:29 has to stop. It has an expiration date, and he’s the one deciding. He’s talking about we’ve seen these reports about bigger than ever before, major military punishment. Secretary of Rubio said that the president’s approach is a head for an eye, although I should I think I should tell you that I don’t believe they they mind losing their

1:50 They don’t mind rather losing their head, an eye, and an arm if that meant bringing down the West is some kind of submission along this process. But we’re seeing this rhetorical build up. But there’s also the staging out there with the spread of forces in the region, the overall massive deployment across this whole military theater. So this

2:10 could develop in various ways. The way I see it, I know what I want to see because we’re at the stage of a job half done, and I think, personally, I think the best option is fight hard, fight fast, and just you know, cause a serious damage to the lifeline, the major lifeline of this regime, and that would be

2:29 the energy infrastructure. Of course, that would come with a cost. But I think that what we the lessons that we learned throughout history, even you know, the lesson we learned on October seventh is that you don’t want a long war of some kind of tit for tat attrition style.

2:51 Just you have to be to finish the jobs, as they say, finish the job as quick as you can. And that will we will gain a lot down the road in the future if we did that and not slowly dragging our feet.

3:08 Speaker 1 How uh, strictly speculation. And you worked with the Prime Minister for many many years, and and you worked in Israel for many many years, and and uh, any gut feeling, what’s what do you think is gonna happen? I mean, just just pure speculation, any gut I mean President Trump said the other day, like you said, uh, you know,

3:33 he went up to use the the Iranians because the Iranians said, you know, a nine for nine and President Trump says, well, we’re going to take a whole head for nighte.

3:45 Speaker 2 Yeah, but they don’t even mind losing their heads if that meant bringing us to warnees. And by us, I mean the West represented by Israel and the United States. Here you see I don’t have a gut feeling because this can develop an various ways. We don’t know where this would go. What I do know is that Iran,

4:06 this regime, there are the bullies of the world, and they have no intention nor a desire to change. But and I’m thinking for many Israelis here, we knew that we’ve been sounding this alarm for many years. We have no illusions because you see this regime, and we tried diplomacy right as a tool against them. This regime basically

4:25 exists for two reasons. To keep their Shiite Islamist revolution going and expanded across the region, gained dominance over others, and to counter whatever the West is standing for through the de mice of Israel and the United States. Now, if they give up the leverages that they created or the tools that they created for themselves to reach their goals,

4:47 they have nothing, and it will be the beginning of their end. They will lose their heads, so to say. They know that, we know that, and that’s why there’s no such a deal that would be a good deal for the West with them, not no no such deal that they will be willing to to sign and actually

5:06 comply with, and for this reason. You see, we have these options of fight hard, fight fast, or or a slow war of attrition, and it’s is for tat manner. What I think, my view is this will exhaust us more than it will harm them, and that’s actually what they’re aiming for. That’s what they want. We’ve had it

5:28 in Israel, will come us for years until October seventh, you know, and then we realize that it wasn’t effective because you have to beat these enemies. I remember Senator Lindsey Graham, and I think it’s a it’s a good place to to to to mention him. Big loss, big loss for the US, big loss for Israel, for you,

5:49 a national treasure. He said in some interview recently that if someone wants to avoid World War three, they need to learn the lesson from World War Two, and I find that super accurate. You know, the lesson from World War two is that appeasement of evil never works. Coexisting alongside evil, that once your destruction never never works. You

6:11 have to beat the sick fundamentalist ideology.

6:15 Speaker 1 And that’s what we only got another thirty seconds left. I just want to have to ask you one more question. The fact is, you know we got the Iranians that are pulling the strings with Hamas, Hezbollah and the Hoodies.

6:31 I mean, but the Iranians are running out of money, so give us your pulse of that.

6:37 Speaker 2 So also, the past years have shown that when the when you cut the lifeline for the regime, when you put sanctions on them, the more you do that. After President Trump pulled out of the JCPOA, the terrible Iran nuclear Deal if you’re a member, that was signed in two thousand and fifteen, we saw that the the the

7:05 money headed for the proxies, arming of the proxies was also drying out. But then you know things have changed and the proxies gained dominance across the region and they get the marching orders for from Iran. So obviously, so there’s there are two things to stay here.

7:24 Speaker 1 One, yes, who’s going to control the who’s going to control the Hesba, who’s going to control the hoodies? And what happenings with the Hamas? Is it all over for now?

7:35 Speaker 2 We we remember the Hamas So Hamas for example, existed long before they got support from Iran. Uh So, so that’s the second thing I was about to say, Uh, yes, the proxy they will sort of dry out, but we’ll still have to take care of them.

7:54 Speaker 1 Is going to take care of hoodies?

8:01 Speaker 2 Well, first they have to have the green lights from you no where, but all they were trying to if you remember, they were trying to there was a war in Yemen. Well, so for the sake of that, the treaties were hitting them hard even before this entire you know, I think this war started.

8:21 Speaker 1 Thank you. We have to go to a break, but thank you so much for being on and telling the American people your opinion and the facts of what’s going on. Thank you, and we’ll catch up with you again, will soon.

8:34 Speaker 2 Thank you so much. John