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John Sarcone First Assistant U.S. Attorney, Northern District of NY

Federal Prosecutors Uncover Nationwide Identity Theft and Benefit Fraud Scheme

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John Sarcone

John Sarcone, First Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of New York, tells John Catsimatidis about a Friday press conference on an identity theft and benefits fraud scheme that spanned 14 states and sought $13 million. He says two now-convicted defendants stole identities to bill federal programs for transportation they never provided, and credits State Comptroller Tom DiNapoli’s office for the referral.

Key takeaways

  • Sarcone said the scheme targeted money meant for the poor, public housing residents, veterans and the homeless.
  • He said banks blocked most of the $13 million; about $1.9 million was collected and spent.
  • Sarcone said one defendant is a Colombian citizen who would likely have fled under state bail rules.
  • He called it the revolving door of public money fraud and said it is going on everywhere.

In their words

“They were stealing identities of people and applying for benefits under the federal programs, benefit plans.”

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“John, it’s going on everywhere. This is what I call the revolving door of public money fraud.”

— John Sarcone, at

“I have to credit the state comptroller, Tom DiNapoli, and his office and his team for referring this to us.”

— John Sarcone, at

Quotes are word for word from the automated transcript, uncorrected; the summary and takeaways are editorial.

Transcript

Automated transcript · uncorrected

Speaker 1 Fraud in America? Well, it’s happening every day. With us today is, from the Department of Justice, the first assistant United States attorney, John Sarkone, from the Northern District of New York. John Sarkone, you had a great press conference on Friday afternoon, and you’re trying to cut down on fraud going on in our country. Tell us about it.

Speaker 2 Yes, thank you, John, and thanks for having me on. It’s always a pleasure to be with you and your audience. We had the Assistant Attorney General Colin McDonald came in from Washington, D.C. today to do this press conference with us.

It is a stunning, stunning revelation of rampant fraud that was taking money away from impoverished people, from people in housing districts, from veterans, from homeless people, and into the tune of $ 13 million. And it spanned California, Georgia, Indiana, Maryland, North Carolina, Tennessee, New York, Texas, Wisconsin, Washington, Michigan, Massachusetts, Florida, and Ohio.

Speaker 1 And how were they doing it?

Speaker 2 They were stealing identities of people and applying for benefits under the federal programs, benefit plans. And they planned that they were transporting homeless people to shelters and transporting people from the housing districts and HUD to their doctor’s appointments.

And they weren’t doing any of that. They were bilking the system. They did collect almost $ 2 million. Of the $ 13 million, many of the banks realized there was some scam going on and didn’t release the funds. But they got away with it, $ 1. 9 million, and they spent it lavishly.

Speaker 1 Understood. And how much of this is going on in our country?

Speaker 2 John, it’s going on everywhere. This is what I call the revolving door of public money fraud. This has been going on since the prior administration when they let loose and we had the invasion that came in. There was no money for any of that. So it just became a free for all. I mean, look what’s going on

in Minnesota, California, here in New York. There’s It’s now we have a president and an attorney general who are determined to stop it.

Speaker 1 Understood. I understood that because is the state attorney general’s not doing anything or is the local DA’s not doing anything?

Speaker 2 Well, let’s say this. If these two individuals, now convicted felons, if this case was referred to the state and one of them is a Colombian citizen, they will have likely fled to Colombia. We’ll probably never see them again, all right?

And we don’t have that here in the federal system. But New York, with its no bail, it’s the revolving door of crime. That’s what I call it here in New York. So I’m glad that, by the way, I have to credit the state comptroller, Tom DiNapoli, and his office and his team for referring this to us. And

we’re going to continue to do great work together.

Speaker 1 Well, John Sarkone, thank you for getting this thing done and reducing the fraud in our country. And we’ll talk to you again real soon. Thank you, John.

Speaker 2 Always a pleasure.

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