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General Paul Vallely Retired Major General, U.S. Army

NATO Is Obsolete in a Changing Global Order

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Speaker 1 Well, what the heck is going on in the world.

Speaker 2 Well, let’s go to an old timer, because he’s seen so many things in the world.

Speaker 1 We got Major General Paul E.

Speaker 2 Valilee with us, a West Point graduate, and well, General, you’ve been around for a while, and we’re worried about history repeating itself. And I’ve had I don’t know if you know my friend who is the Assistant Secretary of the Air Force or West Point to ty McCoy on, and he is scared that history is repeating himself. And

so I’d like to have your point of view of what the heck is going on?

Speaker 1 And why is.

Speaker 2 France, who got destroyed in every war, and Germany going against NATO and helping our country.

Speaker 3 Well, history is not repeating itself. It’s new history being created by President Trump in trying to eliminate a lot of evil in the world. And now we can see what’s happening with a success in a rock. His next focus is the Western Hemisphere. I’ve done to Venezuela already.

Cuba will be next after we finish off in the Persian Gulf.

Speaker 2 Yes. See, President Trump, who I know for forty five fifty years, he’s doing a great job keeping the free world free. And I still don’t know him. And we’re spending almost a trillion dollars on NATO. Germany’s only spending ninety five billion on NATO. In Francis, I think it’s fifty or sixty.

Speaker 1 Bigion on NATO.

Speaker 2 And why are we protecting them when they don’t we even want to protect themselves.

Speaker 3 Well, what’s happening is the disintegration of NATO. It’s going to go away. There’s no use for it any more. As you mentioned, in those countries don’t support it as they should. The critical thing for the United States in those countries over there are our air bases that we have that we put a lot of money into, especially

in Germany. Also, our largest overseas hospital is at Ramstein Air Force Base in Germany, which we like to keep. But other than that, NATO is a history as far as I’m concerned. The reason for NATO was the counter Russia.

But Russia is not going to attack Europe for sure. Uh.

Speaker 1 And I’ve had great They they can’t even attack who, they can’t even attack who crane.

Speaker 3 Well they have they’ve won the war. The war on the ground has lost. Uh. Uh. They’re shooting drone still But basically Russia will keep the four Eastern provinces in the control of the sea there for sure. But Ukraine’s they’ve lost what fifteen to twenty million people have left Ukraine, and so they should be focusing on settling something with

Putin and they’re rebuilding their country and that’s what they need to do.

Speaker 2 And so you see the eventual breakup of NATO. I mean, I think President Trump is right that we don’t mind contributing to NATO, but everybody has to contribute equally.

Speaker 3 Should they do well, why have them? What’s the reason? Why would you keep such an expensive organization and funded? What’s the endgame counter Russia? No, Russia’s not going to attack Europe. So it’s a waste of money. Creates a lot of jobs over there, puts a lot of money into the pockets over the Well would they pay for

that building over there for NATO? I think over a billion dollars for their headquarters. So it’s a gigantic bureaucracy. Plus they have no leadership in your up right now, none whatsoever. They’re all weak. I mean, you see the demise of Great Britain, France, what’s happening in the other countries there. It’s just they’re a complete demise. I don’t

believe we should fund them anymore other than what we can do to negotiate our existing airfields, air Force bases.

Speaker 2 There well, Major General Pool of Valley, Did I say it right?

Speaker 1 Valiis right, yep.

Speaker 2 Thank you for your input and I look forward to talking to you more in the near future. That’s good.

Speaker 3 John, appreciate the invitation.

Speaker 1 Thank you, take care, Bye bye.

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