We must support Ukraine in the face of aggression.

0:00 Speaker 1 Well, Sunday Morning, New York State. But it’s today’s Governor George Protecking, and I understand there’s been a lot of stories to be told that the grid system in New York needs a lot to be desired and there might be some shortfalls. Governor Protecki, you are governor for twelve years, you’ve been keeping your fingers in the energy business. What

0:27 do you hear about the grid system in New York?

0:30 Speaker 2 Well, John, You’re absolutely right. New York has a lot of problems that are often discussed on the front page of the papers. But one that doesn’t discussed that often, but as a real problem, is where we have an enormous looming gap between energy use and energy generation in New York State. Back a few years back, Governor Cloo

0:51 passed the law which I think was just incredibly shortsighted and ignorant, requiring the state to have half of its power from doable sources by twenty thirty. That’s just not going to happen. We need to continue to have a fossil fuel generation whether we like it or not, because we’re not going to have the energy we need. Today.

1:12 Everyone’s talking about switching from gas cars to electric cars from houses being stopped from having natural gas collection connections, so they have to use electricity. We see AI that is going to require enormous amounts And they projected gap and energy use and energy availability in New York State by twenty forty is almost fifty percent. We’re going to

1:37 see energy growth, the need for energy in New York State probably double between now and twenty forty. We don’t have the ability right now or the planning to fill that gap in any way that is actually going to work in.

1:54 Speaker 1 Does the State Assembly realize it? Does State Senate realize it? Does governor realize it? I mean, how many people know?

2:03 Speaker 2 You know, John, I really don’t think they do, because they’re paying attention to the other crises that their actions have created. Let me just give you one example. By twenty thirty, the State Energy Office is projected that we’re going to get nine gigawats that’s nine thousand megawats of power from offshore wind. Today we get zero. There are

2:23 two gigawatts two thousand megawatts in the pipeline. They’re at risk. Prices have gone way up, and Trump is talking about getting rid of the subsidies that the federal government puts in place, so that alone, if that happens, we will be nine thousand megawats short, just because we’re not going to have the offshore wind power that the state is

2:46 counting on. So we have to start now planning to put new sources. And I’ll tell you to be the most logical one are small nuclear reactors. Not the big thousand megawatt nuclear power plants that have a very hard time get excited or approved, but one two five megawatts, smaller nuclear systems that can generate power locally and quew

3:09 an entire community with zero emissions. And you know, there’s always going to be people that say no, but we have paid these small moods on submarines, on aircraft carriers all over being used without incident for decades now. So it’s the only thing that makes sense. No one is paying attention. And thank you John to ABC for all

3:30 you do to bring awareness about these issues. And the energy gap is one that we have to talk about more.

3:36 Speaker 1 I guess and I agree with you President Trump. I’ve heard him say that he doesn’t believe in the windmills. He doesn’t believe in all the birds that are being killed by the windmills. And all the whales on wolf Sure that are being killed. So I don’t know what’s going to happen with windmills in the future, but he

3:55 is the president, so it’s and energy. You’re right. Over the next twenty thirty years, SMOs, small nuclear reactors, and that’s gonna happen. What else would you like to tell me all new office and the American people this Sunday morning?

4:14 Speaker 2 You know, just John, you just said it’s so important because wind and solar, whether you like him or not, if there’s Paris when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine, and what are you going to do when that happens unless you have the small nuclear reactors because they operate constantly twenty four hours a day. So

4:32 I hope the state gets this actor together and starts looking at that in an aggressive way very soon. The other thing I’d like to say is, you know President Trump won, whether you voted for him or not, He didn’t just win the electoral college. He won the popular vote by over two and a half million votes. If

4:50 you don’t like him, so be it, but give him a chance. All these calls for resistance, We’re going to not cooperate that’s not what America needs. American needs is to come together, move forward, solve our problems, and if we do, we’re going to have a great, great couple of decades ahead of us.

5:09 Speaker 1 Well, thank you so much, Governor Patackie. God bless you, God blessed Martha. You had a great twelve years in New York State and you really moved the state ahead a great deal. And have a happy Thanksgiving.

5:25 Speaker 2 Thank you, Happy Thanksgiving to you, and thank you John for all you do with ABC and other things to make this city, the state, and our country a better place.

5:34 Speaker 1 Looking forward to working together in the future.

5:37 Speaker 2 Amen, take care of Josh, Take care