The Musk and Trump clash.

0:00 Speaker 1 With us today is Roger Stone. It’s been some week, Roger, what the heck is going on?

0:07 Speaker 2 Well, this is an extraordinary turn of events. Elon Musk, who I liked very much, I think did great work with his Doze project identifying westraud corruption, upset allegedly about not enough spending in the Big Beautiful Bill, has broken with Donald Trump and then blurts out that Trump is in the Epstein files and that’s why they haven’t been released.

0:31 I just categorically tell you I wrote about this in twenty fifteen in my book, and that is false. Donald Trump broke with Epstein, had banished from his properties before Epstein was exposed and charged with crime in Florida. Long after the Clinton has continued to take money from him and socialize with him. Trump never visited his home in Manhattan,

0:59 never visited his ranch in New Mexico, never visited his famous Orgy Island. The one and only time John that Trump was in Jeffrey Epstein’s home in Palm Beach for a cocktail party. Virginia Gioffrey, one of the victims to sue Epstein, says and her sworn testimony that Trump was a perfect gentleman and I didn’t see any inappropriate activity.

1:23 It was it was a fundraising cocktail party.

1:27 Speaker 1 Before I knew who Rogerstone was. I met him in uh uh vangelin Grulettus’s office at the Helmsley Palace and he heard that I was going down to Florida and he asked for a ride on my playing to Florida, which I gave him. And I never knew who he was.

1:46 Speaker 2 Yeah, So I mean, I just I think that we’re in a very tea thing here where Elon. I think what he’s really missed about is not the spending in the building. He’s right, we need more spending cuts. I’m not sure the House Reconciliation build is so called big Beautiful Bill was the place structurally to do it. They’re

2:10 sending up a decision bill next week, John that cuts ninety eight four billion out of federal spending, solves the US shuts down the US AID slush fund. It’s a beginning. That’s about five percent of what Elon must identified, but it’s still ninety eight billion dollars is a lot of money, and this is this is going to take time. What

2:34 I think Elon is really upset about is that a gentleman named Jared isiacman very close to Elon, a billionaire I think invested in Elon’s rocket business, was slated to be the head of NASA, the National Space Administration, until last minute Trump pulled the nomination back because they learned that Isaac Min had made many, many, many large contributions

3:05 to Joe Biden Kamala Harris.

3:09 Speaker 1 I mean he must not have been too smart to do that, has he?

3:12 Speaker 2 Well? I mean I think the president knew he was a Democrat. He didn’t know he was this active anyway. I think this is what Elon is really angry about. I’m not sure. And then Elon Blert puts out a tweet that says Trump should be impeached and JD. Vance should be president. Well, Elon just tipped your hand. You’re

3:31 in the Vance camp that we already knew that there’s that whole Silicon Valley high tech group around the Vice president. I don’t think that that makes BNSLOK good to be quite honest for you. I like Elon. I hope both he and Trump will have a Kumbaya moment and come back together. I told Elon when I met him at

3:53 mar Lago in my view, he was the most important voice for free speech since the founding. I really believe that that’s that’s why they’re nine.

4:04 Speaker 1 He should be more civilized. He’s a smart guy. President Trump is the president, and he’s Elon is a smart guy, and he should be smart enough to be more civilized.

4:16 Speaker 2 I completely agree. My loyalty is to the president, who, by the way he’s handled the whole state of class. He’s really not firing back now. When Steve Bannon says we should expel Elon from the country, well, he’s a US citizen. You can’t expel from the country. But he says we should deport him, and he says the government

4:35 should seize his companies. That’s communism. I don’t agree with that either.

4:40 Speaker 1 I agree with you. Well, Rogers tone, thank you so much, and we’ll talk to you later.

4:47 Speaker 2 Thank you, John